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  <title>Ep. 73 - Chris Franklin: Valuing (Angry) Blame</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In the final discussion of the series, we dive into Franklin's work on the value of angry blame: can anger best--really, only--express certain features of am adequate response to wrongdoing? </itunes:subtitle>
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For more on our sponsor, please visit http://www.newlane.edu/
Twitter: @JordanCMyers
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    <![CDATA[<p>In the final discussion of the series, we dive into Franklin&#39;s work on the value of angry blame: can anger best--really, only--express certain features of am adequate response to wrongdoing? </p>

<p>For more on our sponsor, please visit <a href="http://www.newlane.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newlane.edu/</a></p>

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Plato&#39;s Cave Website: <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p><p>Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).</p><p>Sponsored By:</p><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Newlane University</a>: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Please support the show by researching Newlane University. You can find out more at newlane.edu. Thank you to Newlane University for supporting this episode of Plato’s Cave. </a></li></ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In the final discussion of the series, we dive into Franklin&#39;s work on the value of angry blame: can anger best--really, only--express certain features of am adequate response to wrongdoing? </p>

<p>For more on our sponsor, please visit <a href="http://www.newlane.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newlane.edu/</a></p>

<p><strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
Personal Website: <a href="https://jordanmyers.org/" rel="nofollow">https://jordanmyers.org/</a><br>
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Plato&#39;s Cave Website: <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p><p>Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).</p><p>Sponsored By:</p><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Newlane University</a>: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Please support the show by researching Newlane University. You can find out more at newlane.edu. Thank you to Newlane University for supporting this episode of Plato’s Cave. </a></li></ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Ep. 72 - Amia Srinivasan: The Aptness of Anger</title>
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  <description>We dive into Srinivasan's amazing (but at the end of the day, I think not fully right) paper, "The Aptness of Anger."
For more on our sponsor, please visit http://www.newlane.edu/
Here's any links you'll need to dive deeper:
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Plato's Cave Website: https://platoscave.fireside.fm/ Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).
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    <![CDATA[<p>We dive into Srinivasan&#39;s amazing (but at the end of the day, I think not fully right) paper, &quot;The Aptness of Anger.&quot;</p>

<p>For more on our sponsor, please visit <a href="http://www.newlane.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newlane.edu/</a></p>

<p>Here&#39;s any links you&#39;ll need to dive deeper:</p>

<p><strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
Personal Website: <a href="https://jordanmyers.org/" rel="nofollow">https://jordanmyers.org/</a><br>
Email: <a href="mailto:platoscavepodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">platoscavepodcast@gmail.com</a><br>
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Plato&#39;s Cave Website: <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p><p>Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).</p><p>Sponsored By:</p><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Newlane University</a>: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Please support the show by researching Newlane University. You can find out more at newlane.edu. Thank you to Newlane University for supporting this episode of Plato’s Cave. </a></li></ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>We dive into Srinivasan&#39;s amazing (but at the end of the day, I think not fully right) paper, &quot;The Aptness of Anger.&quot;</p>

<p>For more on our sponsor, please visit <a href="http://www.newlane.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newlane.edu/</a></p>

<p>Here&#39;s any links you&#39;ll need to dive deeper:</p>

<p><strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
Personal Website: <a href="https://jordanmyers.org/" rel="nofollow">https://jordanmyers.org/</a><br>
Email: <a href="mailto:platoscavepodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">platoscavepodcast@gmail.com</a><br>
<strong>Youtube Channel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true</a></strong><br>
Plato&#39;s Cave Website: <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p><p>Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).</p><p>Sponsored By:</p><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Newlane University</a>: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Please support the show by researching Newlane University. You can find out more at newlane.edu. Thank you to Newlane University for supporting this episode of Plato’s Cave. </a></li></ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Ep. 71 - Martha Nussbaum on Anger and Forgiveness (Part 2)</title>
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  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>Part two of Martha Nussbaum's book, Anger and Forgiveness. 
For more on our sponsor, please visit http://www.newlane.edu/
Twitter: @JordanCMyers
Personal Website: https://jordanmyers.org/
Email: platoscavepodcast@gmail.com
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Plato's Cave Website: https://platoscave.fireside.fm/ Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).
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    <![CDATA[<p>Part two of Martha Nussbaum&#39;s book, Anger and Forgiveness. </p>

<p>For more on our sponsor, please visit <a href="http://www.newlane.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newlane.edu/</a></p>

<p><strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
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Plato&#39;s Cave Website: <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p><p>Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).</p><p>Sponsored By:</p><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Newlane University</a>: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Please support the show by researching Newlane University. You can find out more at newlane.edu. Thank you to Newlane University for supporting this episode of Plato’s Cave. </a></li></ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Part two of Martha Nussbaum&#39;s book, Anger and Forgiveness. </p>

<p>For more on our sponsor, please visit <a href="http://www.newlane.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newlane.edu/</a></p>

<p><strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
Personal Website: <a href="https://jordanmyers.org/" rel="nofollow">https://jordanmyers.org/</a><br>
Email: <a href="mailto:platoscavepodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">platoscavepodcast@gmail.com</a><br>
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Plato&#39;s Cave Website: <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p><p>Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).</p><p>Sponsored By:</p><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Newlane University</a>: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Please support the show by researching Newlane University. You can find out more at newlane.edu. Thank you to Newlane University for supporting this episode of Plato’s Cave. </a></li></ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Ep. 70 - Martha Nussbaum's Anger and Forgiveness (Part 1)</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In the second episode of our series on anger, we dive into the first chapters of Martha Nussbaum's recent book, Anger and Forgiveness. The first two chapters focus on the myth of payback's value.  </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>1:48:43</itunes:duration>
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  <description>In the second episode of our series on anger, we dive into the first chapters of Martha Nussbaum's recent book, Anger and Forgiveness. The first two chapters focus on the myth of payback's value.  
For more on our sponsor, please visit http://www.newlane.edu/
Twitter: @JordanCMyers
Personal Website: https://jordanmyers.org/
Email: platoscavepodcast@gmail.com
Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true
Plato's Cave Website: https://platoscave.fireside.fm/ Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).
</description>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In the second episode of our series on anger, we dive into the first chapters of Martha Nussbaum&#39;s recent book, Anger and Forgiveness. The first two chapters focus on the myth of payback&#39;s value.  </p>

<p>For more on our sponsor, please visit <a href="http://www.newlane.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newlane.edu/</a></p>

<p><strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
Personal Website: <a href="https://jordanmyers.org/" rel="nofollow">https://jordanmyers.org/</a><br>
Email: <a href="mailto:platoscavepodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">platoscavepodcast@gmail.com</a><br>
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Plato&#39;s Cave Website: <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p><p>Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).</p><p>Sponsored By:</p><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Newlane University</a>: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newlane.edu/">Please support the show by researching Newlane University. You can find out more at newlane.edu. Thank you to Newlane University for supporting this episode of Plato’s Cave. </a></li></ul><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In the second episode of our series on anger, we dive into the first chapters of Martha Nussbaum&#39;s recent book, Anger and Forgiveness. The first two chapters focus on the myth of payback&#39;s value.  </p>

<p>For more on our sponsor, please visit <a href="http://www.newlane.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newlane.edu/</a></p>

<p><strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
Personal Website: <a href="https://jordanmyers.org/" rel="nofollow">https://jordanmyers.org/</a><br>
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