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    <description>I'm Jordan Myers and I'm a PhD student studying philosophy at USC. Plato's Cave is my attempt to exit... well, the cave. It's a philosophy podcast meant to help me guide my ascent to the real world, the truth, the place where life is worth living; and apparently that means giving up a regular job with good pay to pursue the security of the academic job market - the philosophy job market nonetheless! Join me on my journey as I cover philosophical works and speak with the best philosophical minds I can convince to come on the show! 
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  <title>Ep. 78 - Identity Arguments for Materialism: David Papineau (Consciousness pt. 5)</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In a *much* more enjoyable article, David Papineau argues for materialism with respect to consciousness by arguing that the mental and physical are identical, and identities don't need explaining. (Please excuse the instances of weird underwater-sounding audio...I have no clue what happened there.) </itunes:subtitle>
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Here's any links you'll need to dive deeper:
https://www.davidpapineau.co.uk/uploads/1/8/5/5/18551740/mindthegap.pdf
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/platoscavepodcast/ 
Twitter: @JordanCMyers
Website: https://jordanmyers.org/
Email: platoscavepodcast@gmail.com
Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true
Plato's Cave Website: https://platoscave.fireside.fm/ Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).
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    <![CDATA[<p>In a <em>much</em> more enjoyable article, David Papineau argues for materialism with respect to consciousness by arguing that the mental and physical are identical, and identities don&#39;t need explaining. (Please excuse the instances of weird underwater-sounding audio...I have no clue what happened there.) </p>

<p>Here&#39;s any links you&#39;ll need to dive deeper:<br>
<a href="https://www.davidpapineau.co.uk/uploads/1/8/5/5/18551740/mind_the_gap.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.davidpapineau.co.uk/uploads/1/8/5/5/18551740/mind_the_gap.pdf</a></p>

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<strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
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<strong>Email:</strong> <a href="mailto:platoscavepodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">platoscavepodcast@gmail.com</a><br>
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<strong>Plato&#39;s Cave Website:</strong> <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p><p>Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In a <em>much</em> more enjoyable article, David Papineau argues for materialism with respect to consciousness by arguing that the mental and physical are identical, and identities don&#39;t need explaining. (Please excuse the instances of weird underwater-sounding audio...I have no clue what happened there.) </p>

<p>Here&#39;s any links you&#39;ll need to dive deeper:<br>
<a href="https://www.davidpapineau.co.uk/uploads/1/8/5/5/18551740/mind_the_gap.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.davidpapineau.co.uk/uploads/1/8/5/5/18551740/mind_the_gap.pdf</a></p>

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<strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
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<strong>Email:</strong> <a href="mailto:platoscavepodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">platoscavepodcast@gmail.com</a><br>
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<strong>Plato&#39;s Cave Website:</strong> <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p><p>Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Ep. 74 - Mary the Color Scientist (Consciousness pt. 1)</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In the first episode of this new series on the philosophy of mind, we dive into Frank Jackson's famous paper, "What Mary Didn't Know." The paper and conversation raises questions about whether the mind is merely physical and how intuitions play a role in this philosophical debate.</itunes:subtitle>
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Here's any links you'll need to dive deeper:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/platoscavepodcast/ 
Twitter: @JordanCMyers
Website: https://jordanmyers.org/
Email: platoscavepodcast@gmail.com
Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true
Plato's Cave Website: https://platoscave.fireside.fm/ Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).
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<p>Here&#39;s any links you&#39;ll need to dive deeper:<br>
<strong>Instagram:</strong> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/platoscavepodcast/" rel="nofollow">https://www.instagram.com/platoscavepodcast/</a> <br>
<strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
<strong>Website:</strong> <a href="https://jordanmyers.org/" rel="nofollow">https://jordanmyers.org/</a><br>
<strong>Email:</strong> <a href="mailto:platoscavepodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">platoscavepodcast@gmail.com</a><br>
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<strong>Plato&#39;s Cave Website:</strong> <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p><p>Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In the first episode of this new series on the philosophy of mind, we dive into Frank Jackson&#39;s famous paper, &quot;What Mary Didn&#39;t Know.&quot; The paper and conversation raises questions about whether the mind is merely physical and how intuitions play a role in this philosophical debate.</p>

<p>Here&#39;s any links you&#39;ll need to dive deeper:<br>
<strong>Instagram:</strong> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/platoscavepodcast/" rel="nofollow">https://www.instagram.com/platoscavepodcast/</a> <br>
<strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
<strong>Website:</strong> <a href="https://jordanmyers.org/" rel="nofollow">https://jordanmyers.org/</a><br>
<strong>Email:</strong> <a href="mailto:platoscavepodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">platoscavepodcast@gmail.com</a><br>
<strong>Youtube Channel:</strong> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true</a><br>
<strong>Plato&#39;s Cave Website:</strong> <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p><p>Special Guests: Adam (Reading Group Discussions) and Giffin (Reading Group Discussions).</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Ep. 13 - David Papineau: Materialism and Consciousness</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, I talk with David Papineau about his rejection of the Hard Problem of Consciousness, how dualism infects thinking about theory of mind, and how materialism is the best account of why we have experiences. </itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>In this episode, I talk with David Papineau about his rejection of the Hard Problem of Consciousness, how dualism infects thinking about theory of mind, and how materialism is the best account of why we have experiences. 
Here's any links you'll need to dive deeper:
https://iai.tv/articles/we-must-shed-our-metaphysical-assumptions-auid-1367
https://www.davidpapineau.co.uk/unpublished-talks.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ekMv8-9gNo&amp;amp;t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itSSn6jj8iQ&amp;amp;t=2227s
If you learned something from this episode, please consider supporting me here: https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers
Every dollar that comes in will go towards bettering the show or towards funding my Philosophy PhD. 
Twitter: @JordanCMyers
You can also get in contact by emailing me at platoscavepodcast@gmail.com
Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true
Plato's Cave Website: https://platoscave.fireside.fm/
Plato's Cave is produced by a non-profit organization centered around public education on high-minded topics, Muckraker Media, which I co-founded. You can find out more by visiting muckrakermedia.org  Special Guest: David Papineau.
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, I talk with David Papineau about his rejection of the Hard Problem of Consciousness, how dualism infects thinking about theory of mind, and how materialism is the best account of why we have experiences. </p>

<p>Here&#39;s any links you&#39;ll need to dive deeper:<br>
<a href="https://iai.tv/articles/we-must-shed-our-metaphysical-assumptions-auid-1367" rel="nofollow">https://iai.tv/articles/we-must-shed-our-metaphysical-assumptions-auid-1367</a><br>
<a href="https://www.davidpapineau.co.uk/unpublished-talks.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.davidpapineau.co.uk/unpublished-talks.html</a><br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ekMv8-9gNo&t=1s" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ekMv8-9gNo&amp;t=1s</a><br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itSSn6jj8iQ&t=2227s" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itSSn6jj8iQ&amp;t=2227s</a></p>

<p>If you learned something from this episode, please consider supporting me here: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers" rel="nofollow">https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers</a><br>
Every dollar that comes in will go towards bettering the show or towards funding my Philosophy PhD. </p>

<p><strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
You can also get in contact by emailing me at <a href="mailto:platoscavepodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">platoscavepodcast@gmail.com</a><br>
<strong>Youtube Channel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true</a></strong><br>
Plato&#39;s Cave Website: <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p>

<p>Plato&#39;s Cave is produced by a non-profit organization centered around public education on high-minded topics, Muckraker Media, which I co-founded. You can find out more by visiting muckrakermedia.org </p><p>Special Guest: David Papineau.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, I talk with David Papineau about his rejection of the Hard Problem of Consciousness, how dualism infects thinking about theory of mind, and how materialism is the best account of why we have experiences. </p>

<p>Here&#39;s any links you&#39;ll need to dive deeper:<br>
<a href="https://iai.tv/articles/we-must-shed-our-metaphysical-assumptions-auid-1367" rel="nofollow">https://iai.tv/articles/we-must-shed-our-metaphysical-assumptions-auid-1367</a><br>
<a href="https://www.davidpapineau.co.uk/unpublished-talks.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.davidpapineau.co.uk/unpublished-talks.html</a><br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ekMv8-9gNo&t=1s" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ekMv8-9gNo&amp;t=1s</a><br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itSSn6jj8iQ&t=2227s" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itSSn6jj8iQ&amp;t=2227s</a></p>

<p>If you learned something from this episode, please consider supporting me here: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers" rel="nofollow">https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers</a><br>
Every dollar that comes in will go towards bettering the show or towards funding my Philosophy PhD. </p>

<p><strong>Twitter:</strong> @Jordan_C_Myers<br>
You can also get in contact by emailing me at <a href="mailto:platoscavepodcast@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">platoscavepodcast@gmail.com</a><br>
<strong>Youtube Channel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD1RiH1j-M6C59z1upPXkWw?disable_polymer=true</a></strong><br>
Plato&#39;s Cave Website: <a href="https://platoscave.fireside.fm/" rel="nofollow">https://platoscave.fireside.fm/</a></p>

<p>Plato&#39;s Cave is produced by a non-profit organization centered around public education on high-minded topics, Muckraker Media, which I co-founded. You can find out more by visiting muckrakermedia.org </p><p>Special Guest: David Papineau.</p><p><a rel="payment" href="https://www.patreon.com/jordanmyers">Support Plato&#39;s Cave</a></p>]]>
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